Ticket #293 (closed enhancement: fixed)

Opened 12 years ago

Last modified 10 years ago

Decide what software should be on the Live CD

Reported by: xavid Owned by:
Priority: low Milestone: The Distant Future
Component: livecd Keywords:
Cc: Fixed in version:
Upstream bug:


Currently the live CD doesn't have any of -extra-software{,nox} on it, and removes the following packages/groups of packages:


We should figure out some useful Athena tools that don't take up a lot of space that it'd make sense to put on the CD. We currently have ~22 compressed megs free. hesiod, krb5-clients, remctl-client, screen, lynx, subversion, git-core? Quentin wants some of LaTeX, though texlive-full won't fit.

Should we be removing more stuff? Quentin suggests compiz, which is worth a few uncompressed megs, though that'd be a pretty big change from upstream, so I'd be against it.

Should we cut enough other stuff so we can include at least some of openoffice.org? I'm biased against it, but it seems like lots of people use it.

Change History

comment:1 Changed 12 years ago by xavid

  • Status changed from new to accepted

As of right now, I'm installing


and removing

    ^language-pack-bn$ ^language-pack-bn-base$                                  
    ^language-pack-de$ ^language-pack-de-base$ ^language-pack-es$               
    ^language-pack-es-base$ ^language-pack-fr$ ^language-pack-fr-base$          
    ^language-pack-gnome-bn$ ^language-pack-gnome-bn-base$                      
    ^language-pack-gnome-de$ ^language-pack-gnome-de-base$                      
    ^language-pack-gnome-es$ ^language-pack-gnome-es-base$                      
    ^language-pack-gnome-fr$ ^language-pack-gnome-fr-base$                      
    ^language-pack-gnome-pt$ ^language-pack-gnome-pt-base$                      
    ^language-pack-gnome-xh$ ^language-pack-gnome-xh-base$ ^language-pack-pt$   
    ^language-pack-pt-base$ ^language-pack-xh$ ^language-pack-xh-base$

and I have ~10 compressed megs left. Suggestions welcome.

comment:2 Changed 12 years ago by geofft

It would be nice to include lvm2.

(We should separately convince upstream to put LVM support on the stock live CD.)

comment:3 Changed 11 years ago by jdreed

  • Milestone changed from Summer 2010 (Lucid Deploy) to Fall 2010

So, in revisiting this, we should think about what the usage model of the Live CD is.

Is it:
a) trying out Debathena
b) supported installation method
c) recovery CD
d) Non-destructively creating Debathena machines on the fly (c.f. RSI's usage model last summer)

I think that's the rough order of priority in terms of usage, with (b) and (c) probably tied. For trying out Debathena, we certainly don't need *everything*. Frankly, I'd be happy with a small subset of things, and maybe a .desktop with a link to a web page saying "Here's what you get if you install the full version!"

For (b), it might be clever if the installer fell back to network installation if at all possible, rather than trying to support full offline installation, as Ubuntu does. In particular, anything above -standard is mostly useless without network, and if you can't get network with the Live CD, you're probably not going to be able to get network once Debathena is installed.

(d) is definitely the hardest. I mean, we don't need -cluster, because the Live CD itself provides the serial reusability.

Alternatively, we make it a live DVD, and stop caring about disc space.

comment:4 Changed 11 years ago by xavid

The installer currently uses network installation for installing -workstation. I think it still requires network to install -standard, even though it shouldn't really need to. I mostly haven't cared too much about supporting networkless installs.

The script also generates a Live DVD, but we don't have nice pretty DVD-Rs to burn it onto, so it hasn't gotten much use.

comment:5 Changed 11 years ago by jdreed

  • Status changed from accepted to new
  • Owner xavid deleted
  • Milestone changed from Natty Alpha to The Distant Future

This will be mostly fixed by the fact that we're moving to DVDs, so re-milestoning...

comment:6 Changed 10 years ago by jdreed

  • Status changed from new to closed
  • Resolution set to fixed

At a recent release-team, we decided to suck it up and call the pre-printed CDs a sunk cost, and move to live DVDs.

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