Ticket #375 (closed defect: wontfix)

Opened 12 years ago

Last modified 10 years ago

packages punted from live CD are also punted from installed system

Reported by: geofft Owned by: xavid
Priority: insignificant Milestone: The Distant Future
Component: livecd Keywords:
Cc: Fixed in version:
Upstream bug:

Description

I ran the "what packages could satisfy unsatisfied dependencies but aren't installed" query from #373 on ozok-the-destroyer, a debathena-workstation installed from the live CD, and found some names that sounded familiar: bogofilter, ekiga, f-spot, gnome-games. openoffice.org-gnome*, etc. These are all packages that the live CD punts (ticket #293).

By the nature of ubiquity, the live CD system gets copied rather than a new system being installed from scratch, but it seems somewhat capricious for packages punted on the CD for reasons of space to also not end up on the installed system, which presumably has no 650-megabyte space constraint.

*openoffice.org is installed because of extra-software. Perhaps that should pull in -gnome too?

Change History

comment:1 Changed 12 years ago by xavid

I'm inclined to minimize the differences between the Live CD environment and the installed root, to minimize surprise and to not make the install highly dependent on Internet. Possibly documenting what packages are removed and how to install them would be good. I don't feel all that strongly, though.

comment:2 Changed 12 years ago by geofft

I don't have data, but I assume people expect a live-CD-installed system to look more like a non-live-CD-installed system than like the live CD itself. Certainly OOo is the kind of thing I'd want on an installed workstation, regardless of install method; I'm not sure I care as much about the rest.

Regarding making the install network-dependent, do we have room to put the .debs on the live CD, even if we can't unpack and install them?

comment:3 Changed 12 years ago by xavid

  • Status changed from new to accepted
  • Owner set to xavid

I don't think the upstream Ubuntu installers claim to install identical package sets. Certainly the DVD and server installers don't. But yeah, everyone except me wants OOo, and if we could figure out a way to fit it it really belongs on the Live CD as well. Pulling in all unsatisfied recommendations in the postinstall is probably a good mostly-right solution, since internet is cheap at MIT.

The Live CD is compressed within an inch of its life already; the .debs didn't take noticeably less space when I tried it BITD.

comment:4 Changed 11 years ago by jdreed

  • Milestone set to Fall 2010

I think the key is about expectations here. I consider myself a fairly knowledgeable user, and it wasn't aware I'd end up with a different package set (or rather, I assume that it would be fixed the first time I updated). We could document the difference and move on.

Or, if there's a programmatic way to determine whether a system was installed from a livecd, we could set a cron job or boot script to try and grab everything from the network when a livecd-installed machine is booted with network for the first time?

comment:5 Changed 10 years ago by jdreed

  • Status changed from accepted to closed
  • Resolution set to invalid
  • Milestone changed from Natty Alpha to The Distant Future

We're going to "fix" this by making the CD a DVD.

comment:6 Changed 10 years ago by jdreed

  • Priority changed from low to insignificant
  • Status changed from closed to reopened
  • Resolution invalid deleted

Geoff wants this re-opened.
Priority: geofft

comment:7 Changed 10 years ago by jdreed

  • Status changed from reopened to closed
  • Resolution set to wontfix

The LiveOpticalMedia? does not support installation anymore.

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